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Post by Clint on Jun 3, 2018 1:14:51 GMT -6
Just a reminder to everyone that all power units that are stored in the yards, whether waiting for Service, being serviced, or finished servicing ready for departure, should be left running. I know when the server gets restarted everything spawns back in shut down and this causes confusion about if the power should be left running or not. Most of the power will only be in the yards for a few hours (server time) and it is more cost effective to leave them running for this short period of time than to shut them down and have the wear and tear on the starters and other equipment firing them back up.
If you find some power that is shut down because of a server restart there is no specific need to fire it up again unless you want to, but there should not be anyone manually shutting down any power. The only time this would normally happen is if they were being put into the actual shop building for service, which we don't really simulate at this time. Leaving them running also makes it easier for people conducting yard work so they don't have to get the units fired up when they need to move them.
Thanks,
Clint
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Post by eetxebarria on Jun 3, 2018 1:36:08 GMT -6
Hi, Here is one guilty. Thanks for the reminder, as I thought the correct was to shut them off, and I've even shutted others than mine down. Sorry for that. Regards,
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Post by Clint on Jun 3, 2018 2:11:04 GMT -6
Not a huge deal, just easier for us to leave them running, and IRL more cost effective. I know it can be confusing when you come on after a server restart and everything is shut down, you would logically think that's the normal procedure.
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Post by survivorsean on Jun 3, 2018 6:03:13 GMT -6
Yep I did it too because I heard something a long time ago about California shutting down their engines unlike the east. The only ones I kept running where the mainlines. I'll keep them running.
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Sean
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Post by SMRY on Jun 3, 2018 6:51:31 GMT -6
Probably was me advising some time ago, of shutdown within CA, along with warmer states... Was brought about due to air quality board having a hissy with the RRs, along, with others for the most part esp. fleet owners.. Trying to recall the mandate, &, its time limits. Somewhere within 1-1.5hrs I believe it was, could be idling whiles waiting rd. crews, within service areas etc. Besides, locos say roughly built late 60s - early 70s the crankshafts & other tolerances much better thus, not the fear of crankshafts letting go like earlier models with the crankshafts becoming "out of faze" during startup/shutdown periods. Another area of trouble with many fleets having become older, the sump areas like to dump oil everywhere, which, again, the many towns, states, are cracking-down. Hell, I can recall my very early days being advised to stop during the night along our journey over a river/bridge crossing, open the sump drain for a time, close, before moving on... Some of the newer units, &, portions of older fleets, have also been fitted/retrofitted with block heaters esp. colder climates, thus again defeating the need to leave idling for very long periods.. With a time limit of 1-1.5hrs, I've seen all sorts methods to get around it, &, others, by having someone move eng(s), which would start the clock again....lol... All sorts of tricks to the trade, to get around Johnny-Law-Air-Purists, dependent on the day/time of need..
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Post by Clint on Jun 3, 2018 7:49:21 GMT -6
Good information SMRY. I would believe California making mandates like this, having dealt with them in the trucking industry. I was just going off what I was told when I joined the server and I'm sure Mike will chime in if we should change this policy or not. Thanks for your comments, something to consider when trying to simulate a realistic operation.
Clint
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 16:20:56 GMT -6
Most newer locomotives are equipped with Smart Start or some version of it, which will automatically shut the engine down if it's idling for a length of time. When air pressure gets low or the engine gets cold, it restarts itself, recharges or warms up, then shuts back down. There's an override button in the cab that the crew can push if they need the engine running to keep HVAC systems on, or they just don't want it to shut down for some reason. If memory serves the timer is about 10-15 minutes before they'll shut off. The railroads have seen enormous fuel savings because of it, and those who need to live near the yards get less lung cancer.
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Post by Ski on Jun 4, 2018 3:09:22 GMT -6
Hontz is correct, the ES44's and SD70ACe's in real life will automatically shutdown after 15 mins of idle. This is also an EPA regulation starting in 2007 and newer locomotives. So in all reality, only GP40, SD40 and SD45's should be left running. All others should be shutdown if we want to mimic the prototype.
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Post by survivorsean on Jun 4, 2018 10:11:16 GMT -6
However! Not to confused this any more. The ES44's and SD70's should NEVER be shut down on the mainlines (usually put back to AI). That is unless we are simulating some kind of crew shortage and it's tied down. Because the clock is frozen, most trains will start moving again as soon as the clock resumes and signals are given.
Thanks
Sean
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Post by tld67 on Jun 4, 2018 13:40:18 GMT -6
That's all great info guys! Thanks, I wasn't sure one way or the other. Now I know.
Tim
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Post by SMRY on Jun 4, 2018 13:50:49 GMT -6
actually dependent on customer order, newer units esp. desktops may or may-not be fitted with Smart-Start looking for cost savings elsewhere during build. The harshest time for any eng is both start/shutdown time, also the most polluting time. I doubt going to find the feature of much use within southern CA, again Air-Control-Board having their say. Northern CA may be another story, then may only be mandated/warranted during cold season, even then, not the bone chilling cold I'm used to during winter months for weeks at a time. Both SD/GP/other series dependent on whats been installed/retro-fitted may or may-not be left idling 24/7. Mainline trns actually still out on the rd. should as Sean pointed out, either, be placed in the hands of AI or tied-down crewless within chosen hole... These days with the refinement of oils, not the great need to keep idling like yesteryears. Idling really to keep from freeze-ups & then again both newer & older units often have been fitted with block heaters thus, again no need to idle just the need to keep the water jacket toasty... Some RRs, (like my formers) even in the very coldest of regions (winter-months) have been very successful just using both Power-Service in the tank, antifreeze/water blend in the cooling system, even going so far as adding anti-friction (slick50), even going to expensive synthetics in the lube system. Anyways servers host wishes should be the last word/rule of the day regardless.
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Post by mikerice on Jun 6, 2018 21:09:40 GMT -6
I prefer we keep them running unless we are storing them. Lots of great information here and thank you everyone for sharing what they know on the subject. Because we are operating in a frozen clock mode I'd prefer we keep the engines running on everything not in storage.
Thanks, Mike
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Post by jseymore20 on Jun 29, 2018 13:10:49 GMT -6
It’s not good to shut them down. The Turbos over work when starting up and once under high work load “Notch 8” for awhile and they blow. That’s why most newer engines being built had the auto start/shutdown taken out.
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Post by Clint on Jun 29, 2018 14:37:34 GMT -6
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